# Can I install Mautic 5 and after using the database of the 4.1.0 version? **URL:** \ **Category:** Mautic 5 Install/Upgrade Support\ **Created:** [January 31, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/can-i-install-mautic-5-and-after-using-the-database-of-the-4-1-0-version/30736 "2024-01-31T14:22:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![funkman733](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/funkman733/32/9158_2.png) [@funkman733](https://forum.mautic.org/u/funkman733)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/can-i-install-mautic-5-and-after-using-the-database-of-the-4-1-0-version/30736/1 "2024-01-31T14:22:41Z")
**Your software** My Mautic version is: 4.1.0 My PHP version is: 7.4 but I can set it up to 8.3 My Database type and version is: 10.6.16-MariaDB-cll-lve-log **Your problem** My problem is: that I can’t do any update or upgrade from the 4.1.0 version. These errors are showing in the log: not, but I have “403 forbidden” if I try to do the update Steps I have tried to fix the problem: I have tried to use Composer and Notification Update, but I don’t have any solutions. I ask you if I can do a backup of the database of the 4.1.0 Mautic installation. After doing a new Mautic 5.x installation and after restoring the backup of the Mautic 4.1.0 into the database of the new Mautic 5.x installation. I want to use the new version of Mautic, but I don’t want to lose all the data from the old database… ---
**Author:** ![funkman733](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/funkman733/32/9158_2.png) [@funkman733](https://forum.mautic.org/u/funkman733)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/can-i-install-mautic-5-and-after-using-the-database-of-the-4-1-0-version/30736/2 "2024-02-21T17:48:09Z")
Hi, I have tried the following solution to update from 4.1.0 to 4.4.11, after the Mautic update I edited the .htaccess and now I don’t the 403 forbidden error message, but I have another error message that I cannot display the login form… > > > \### Mautic Version > > 4.2.x series > > \### PHP version > > 7.4.27 > > \### What brow…sers are you seeing the problem on? > > Firefox, Chrome > > \### What happened? > > After performing an upgrade, the site reports an error 403, forbidden. > > We upgrade via command line and clear cache and clean permissions as part of the process. > > This maybe server specific, but this line in the HTACCESS > > https://github.com/mautic/mautic/blob/4.2.0/.htaccess > > \`\`\` > \# Apache 2.4+ > \ > # Deny access via HTTP requests to all PHP files. > \ > Require all denied > \ > \`\`\` > > Causes the issue, by commenting out > > \`\`\` > \ > Require all denied > \ > \`\`\` > > The site loads again. > > Prior to this verison 4.1.2 Worked with this in the htaccess file. > > \### How can we reproduce this issue? > > Server > Ubunto 18.04.4 LTS > Server API | FPM/FastCGI > MariaDB > 1:10.2.43+maria~bionic > Apache > 2.4.52-1+ubuntu18.04+1 > NGiNX > 1.19.9-1+ubuntu18.04+1 > > Not sure if this is important, but we have mautic in a subfolder off the domain > eg: domain.com/mautic/ > > \### Relevant log output > > \`\`\`shell > n/a > \`\`\` > > > \### Code of Conduct > > \- \[X\] I confirm that I have read and agree to follow this project's Code of Conduct ---
**Author:** ![mzagmajster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/mzagmajster/32/687_2.png) [@mzagmajster](https://forum.mautic.org/u/mzagmajster)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/can-i-install-mautic-5-and-after-using-the-database-of-the-4-1-0-version/30736/3 "2024-02-21T18:11:10Z")
Do a full backup of source and database, then try to update mautic using CLI, see this for detals: [https://docs.mautic.org/en/5.x/getting\_started/how\_to\_update\_mautic.html](https://docs.mautic.org/en/5.x/getting_started/how_to_update_mautic.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mpolixenidis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/mpolixenidis/32/11160_2.png) [@Mpolixenidis](https://forum.mautic.org/u/Mpolixenidis)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/can-i-install-mautic-5-and-after-using-the-database-of-the-4-1-0-version/30736/4 "2024-04-01T23:49:40Z")
Hello, I’ll try this on my instance to see if can have upgrade with CLI. Usually when tried to upgrade from GUI I got this frustrated 403 forbidden error. Which I had to rollback after on previous version. I’d like to have the latest, but somehow to overcome this trouble. ---
**Author:** ![paul.piazza.pro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/paul.piazza.pro/32/13297_2.png) [@paul.piazza.pro](https://forum.mautic.org/u/paul.piazza.pro)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 7:29am UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/can-i-install-mautic-5-and-after-using-the-database-of-the-4-1-0-version/30736/5 "2024-07-04T07:29:53Z")
Hi, I also follow the steps of the GUI part and got the 403. Mautic try to check my user with `https://mautic.ddev.site/index_dev.php/s/login_check` The steps: I use the project ddev and select the git branch Mautic 4.4. and I ```auto $ ddev ddev-setup-mautic ``` I update the `config.yml` ```auto php_version: "8.0" webimage_extra_packages: [php8.0-imap] $ ddev restart ``` Then, I try to update mautic ```auto $ ddev exec php bin:console mautic:update:apply $ ddev exec php bin:console mautic:update:apply --finish # Success! You are now running version 5.1.0 of Mautic. ``` I update to php 8.2 ```auto php_version: "8.2" webimage_extra_packages: [php8.2-imap] $ ddev restart ``` I open my browser on [https://mautic.ddev.site/s/login](https://mautic.ddev.site/s/login) Finally I got 403 forbidden because Mautic tries to check my user `admin` with `https://mautic.ddev.site/index_dev.php/s/login_check` I suppose there is an issue with the .htaccess ?