# Is Mautic 5 ready for production? **URL:** \ **Category:** Product Support\ **Created:** [May 28, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/is-mautic-5-ready-for-production/32200 "2024-05-28T22:18:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dustbro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/dustbro/32/12770_2.png) [@dustbro](https://forum.mautic.org/u/dustbro)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/is-mautic-5-ready-for-production/32200/1 "2024-05-28T22:18:15Z")
I see a bunch of threads about various bugs in Mautic 5 that make it challenging to use for production. I’ve got v4 installed and have been learning the ropes, but I wonder if I should upgrade to v5 before I start using it for real. What do think? ---
**Author:** ![peter\_k](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/peter_k/32/511_2.png) [@peter\_k](https://forum.mautic.org/u/peter_k)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/is-mautic-5-ready-for-production/32200/2 "2024-05-29T07:48:21Z")
Depends on your set-up and needs. If you need to upgrade to a maintained PHP version, M5 is a must. If you use Amazon SES or any other ESP and need bounce management via callbacks, M4 _might_ still be a must. That is until the plugins are ready (some are) and battle tested. Other than that: There are bugs for M4, too. So, there’s that 😉 ---
**Author:** ![szwarrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@szwarrior](https://forum.mautic.org/u/szwarrior)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 9:44am UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/is-mautic-5-ready-for-production/32200/3 "2024-06-04T09:44:28Z")
I agree with OP: I tried to update from a production system running Mautic 4 to a test system Mautic 5 using the documentation. There were a lot of issues and I still have not a working system. I also got the feeling that the software misses a lot of QA or assumes that everyone starts from scratch with Mautic 5. ---
**Author:** ![ddease2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/ddease2/32/13484_2.png) [@ddease2](https://forum.mautic.org/u/ddease2)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/is-mautic-5-ready-for-production/32200/4 "2025-03-07T14:07:04Z")
Here we are in March 2025. What is updated answer to the OP’s question? How much progress has been made? I installed 5.2.1 and then upgraded to 5.2.2. I continue to experience instability with the backend and bugs here and there with the email editor. Does anyone out there have a fully functional and bugless Mautic 5.x? ---
**Author:** ![mikew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/mikew/32/5156_2.png) [@mikew](https://forum.mautic.org/u/mikew)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 9:40am UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/is-mautic-5-ready-for-production/32200/5 "2025-03-09T09:40:23Z")
Following a discussion I had with @silavapi I understand that Mautic 4.x is no longer being supported with security updates which renders the system “insecure” as there are a number of exploits that have been released, so I guess Mautic 5 should be operational however I have yet to put it into production for my instances. I do have a fully operational version of Mautic 5 that I am testing out and playing with, the whole email configuration and working is totally different from 4 and the documentation i have found so far is “okay” but not covering all the topics. I hope to add to this as i move forward. interested in hearing some other expereinces here as well.