# Why is Mautic 5 so difficult to install?

**URL:** <https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [August 10, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077 "2024-08-10T14:02:27Z")\
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**Author:** ![bilbobaggage](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/bilbobaggage/32/11406_2.png) [@bilbobaggage](https://forum.mautic.org/u/bilbobaggage)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077/1 "2024-08-10T14:02:27Z")

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I’ve tried manual installation, I’ve tried using composer, both to no avail. The documentation page is as if important parts of the documentation is left out on purpose.

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**Author:** ![joeyk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/joeyk/32/11164_2.png) [@joeyk](https://forum.mautic.org/u/joeyk)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077/2 "2024-08-10T16:49:21Z")

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What do you think is missing?  
It is really hard to give a command by command description.  
Where are you stuck?

J

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**Author:** ![bilbobaggage](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/bilbobaggage/32/11406_2.png) [@bilbobaggage](https://forum.mautic.org/u/bilbobaggage)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077/3 "2024-08-10T17:12:59Z")

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For instance, before running the command

```auto
composer create-project mautic/recommended-project:^5.0 some-dir --no-interaction

```

You’d need to have unzip/7zip installed and a specific nodejs version, which is never mentioned in the same article. Mautic is great when you set it up correctly but the documentation for the initial setup could use some improvement.

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**Author:** ![joeyk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/joeyk/32/11164_2.png) [@joeyk](https://forum.mautic.org/u/joeyk)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077/4 "2024-08-12T08:14:12Z")

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It is really hard to do a step by step tutorial, since you might use a fedora / ubuntu / mint linux, or maybe even something else. Maybe you run your Mautic on a Raspberry Pi or on a Windows machiene.

The commands would be different for each of them.

It is kinda expected to know an unzip is needed to unzip a zip file.  
Regarding node.js you’ll get wornings during the installation process.

You’ll need to learn more while you maintain / upgrade your Mautic anyway, I suggest to keep an eye on various docs.

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**Author:** ![bilbobaggage](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.mautic.org/bilbobaggage/32/11406_2.png) [@bilbobaggage](https://forum.mautic.org/u/bilbobaggage)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://forum.mautic.org/t/why-is-mautic-5-so-difficult-to-install/33077/5 "2024-08-12T17:45:59Z")

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I mean I do I’m trying to learn, but I don’t think it’s a matter of me learning when it’s not just me who’s [having the same problem](https://forum.mautic.org/t/composer-setup-for-mautic-5-now-needs-npm/29823/18) with the installation.